Thirty days with PCLinuxOS - The case of Ultumix or How not to remaster PCLinuxOS
One of the core principles of open source development is “freedom”. As such, there are few limitations for developers and end users to take the work of others and move it into a direction they deem better. This has led to a proliferation of Linux distributions, remasters and scores of applications that sometimes are hard to distinguish from other distributions, remasters or applications. It’s not an ideal situation but somehow quality material always seems to stick around, while the rest sinks back into oblivion.
Another core principle is perhaps “respect”. Freedom is never an absolute. You can fork a distribution or an application, but you don’t have the freedom to remove or change the underlying licenses. You respect that. Why this introduction?
The case of Ultumix
In preparation for the series about PCLinuxOS I ran into Ultumix, a remaster of PCLinuxOS. I have nothing against remasters. In fact, I created a customized version of Ubuntu for the book about Linux. Hence, I know it is not easy to do, though far easier than to create a new distribution of your own. I wouldn’t dream of rebranding it with another name. It’s Ubuntu and it stays Ubuntu. However, bread crumbs of Ultumix do give an insight into why it’s website says the following:
WARNING! PCLinuxOS Forums and IRC Chat
The PCLinuxOS community has informed me that they do not want users of Ultumix getting support from their forum or IRC chat. If you want assistance please use the links at the top of this page. Thanks.
What caused this stern stand by the PCLinuxOS community? Well, the first iteration of the Ultumix remaster had Cedega in it. Cedega is a commercial implementation of Wine that enables Linux users to play a selection of Windows-based games. It’s subscription-based and it is definitely not allowed to distribute it with your distribution unless you have persmission to do so (and -most likely- paid Transgaming for it). For this reason Ultumix was banned from Linux Tracker in November 2007.
Learning from your mistakes?
Now, everyone is entitled to make a mistake. What would you do after a foul up like this? Yes, you would read up on free and open source licensing and make sure that the next iteration would at least be free of problems. Apparently, the producer of Ultumix forgot to do that, because early December 2007 he released a new version of Ultumix without Cedega, but with a nice logo that stated that this distribution was released under the GPL v3. “Say again?”. Yes, he decided that the kernel, the tools, the applications everything should be released under the GPL v3. Fortunately a few people got in touch with him, so he could post in the Linux Questions forum:
Some have pointed out that I will make people angry if I release this under the GPLv3 so as of this moment on 12/03/07 at 04:23 PM Pacific Standard Time any software that is released under the GPLv2 will stay under the GPLv2. Also any software I created or released myself will be under the GPLv3. I just needed to get that out of the way.
People getting angry? You mean: getting sued for blatant violations of underlying licenses. Ignorance is not bliss. Too bad that this tainted version was released via The Pirate Bay where it will be available for quite a long time.
Installing PCLinuxOS…. oh… sorry. Ultumix of course.
But, everyone is entitled to make a mistake, even two. If you have vision and strong ideas about the ideal Linux distribution every lesson learned is a valuable one. In this case, the slogan “For Windows Users By Previous Windows Users.” might not the most inspiring one, but at least the target audience is clearly defined. With that in mind I downloaded the most recent version of Ultumix and installed it. It is a remaster of PCLinuxOS and you are reminded of that again and again.
The splash screen is the first sign that you are installing something else than PCLinuxOS:
After that you think you are booting into Windows XP:
Only to end up at the KDE desktop with a Vista-like theme:
The software collection is somewhat larger that a default PCLinuxOS install. Maybe I am getting cynical, but when I see this quote on the website:
Your Windows users should have a lot of fun with this OS. Do you like the new Start Kmenu button?
and then see nothing more than a badly designed icon consisting of a really low quality picture of a globe and the word “Start” on it, I wonder whether the target audience is really jumping up and down with joy.
“Innovation” for Windows users
Apparently. the Ultumix collector tried to make an effort by using Packman as package manager, so as to make it possible to install both RPM and DEB packages. But then:
I managed to install packman and gpackman in /usr/share/packman and it installed where it is suppose to go. Technically you should be able to install debain and RPM packages in this distro now. Proceed with caution as packman can not figure out what packages the synaptic has installed because it’s not configured for this distro. Unless someone steps forward and helps me get this done I will release this as the final version of Ultumix Standard Edition 2008.
Translated: “I could install Packman, but you -the Windows user- have to find out for yourself how to install and manage software through it. If you are a smart Windows user and found out how to do it, please let me know.” Sigh.
Bringing God and Jesus into the scheme
The worst was yet to come. I found a blog post by mr. Ultumix himself. Better read it for yourself, but this quote really rattled my cage:
I give all the credit for my project to the rest of the Linux community and Jesus Christ. The ideas I had for Ultumix didn’t come from me. These ideas came from other distros and from the knowledge that God has given me. I am very thankful to be a part of something bigger and I don’t ask for credit.
So, after first stealing software and illegally redistributing it, then illegally relicensing all open source software and redistributing it and finally bringing out a PCLinuxOS version with minimal window(s) dressing and still calling it Ultumix, this person has the audacity to bring God and Jesus Christ into the scheme as well. Not asking for any credit? Go figure! Maybe some more time should be spend on meditating on some core Christian principles like honesty, respect and humility.
How not to remaster PCLInuxOS
Anyway, stumbling upon Ultumix was only a side-effect of research PCLinuxOS. It doesn’t say anything about the PCLinuxOS project itself. It is however an example of how not to proceed when trying to remaster PCLinuxOS or any other distribution
December 21st, 2007 at 6:32 pm
LOL. That was a really sharp poke in the eye
C’mon, let’s give Mr. Ultimix a little slack, shall we?
God bless him.
December 21st, 2007 at 7:52 pm
there is not good or bad ways of remastering … they are some goods and some bad remasters and they are no remasters that are full distribution… but sometimes some frogs try to get as big as a bull and get blown up … like candles in the wind people wo seeks to change the rules without knowing them manage to release something that is cheaper in all aspect than windows by remastering a linux distribution in a way they don’t even understand.
December 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 am
Funny how he has the Balls to Charge $18.00 Dollars U.S. to Steal something.
If you look at His website its the uglyest one ive ever seen for something thats supposed to Be Professional quality.
Folks steer wide from this Guy just a warning
December 22nd, 2007 at 1:09 pm
PCLinuxOS is designed so that regular updating removes the need to re-install anew version every six months. The original public release of PCLOS managed that for three years, and the 2007 release is hoped to do as well. In order for that to work, a lot of care goes into package building and compatibility. PCLOS can’t break on an update every six months, because your installation has to last.
If you start installing rpms from other distros you are asking for problems. If you start installing deb packages as well, you are seriously asking for trouble.
This Ultumix guy seems clueless. The worst thing being that when these outside packages (and possibly equally clueless tweaks - I don’t know if there are any), combined with a future upgrade, break your installation, will the blame be, partly at least, attributed to PCLinuxOS?
There are plenty of “approved” remasters of PCLinuxOS for particular purposes, but, for a first time user, it’s best to use the standard LiveCD, install, use Synaptic to update all packages, and then use it to add the packages you want.
December 23rd, 2007 at 9:02 am
I have watched a few of his videos and followed some of the nonsense on his forum and that of his buddy nixedreport. Clueless is a word that springs to mind, but then the worst sort of clueless there is.
This guys spouts pseudo-religious gibberish, IT-nonsense and marketing fluff all rolled into one. His answer to criticism is “tell me how” but he does not invest even a second of learning. My 11 year old knows more about running PCLOS and installing themes than he does. Difference is, my 11 year old doesn’t do distros or take your money.
I sometimes wonder why Tex doesn’t stam his foot down on the abuse of his trademarks…
Mike
December 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 am
Yes the ”ultimate distro”,I mean c’mon,this guy does not even know on what linux planet he lives on,he didn’t even redesigned the look of this remaster,it looks just like pclos with another wallpaper,and another start button!Yes great remaster1
December 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Sounds like the “Ultumix” guy has some serious problems, and loves ignorance. He’s now trying to base “his OS” off of Granular, which is based off of PCLinuxOS. Stop it! I don’t want my friends in this community getting in trouble because of violations made by you. Just stop, please.
December 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pm
The idea to use Granular is mentioned in the Ultumix forums and was actually suggested by Manmath Sahu who keeps a PCLinuxOS weblog.
Hmm, I am seeing more interesting things in that forum. The new Ultumix release will be 100% GPL open source. That will mean no Firefox or Thunderbird for instance. It looks there are still a few lessons to be learned.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Ok ok. You did a great job of digging up the past but did you forget to mention at the end how I took all that GPL stuff out of my OS or how I have been working around the clock to try to make it acceptable by everyone’s standards? This is really more about the Windows user here and not about the GNU/Linux critic. 5 years ago I asked for help with this project and waited. No one wanted to help me. So I used the only information I was provided to remaster PCLinuxOS. Thats when the nightmare began. When will it end?
As for my first release being available on the pirate bay no one is seeding a full copy anymore that I know of so I don’t think I will have to worry about that.
Any time one of you critics wants to step in and actually help me do this the right way or tell me how I would be glad to listen but if all you can do is shout at me and tell me what I’m doing wrong and criticize my religion then it’s not worth listening to you.
Currently Richard Stallman has been nice enough to converse with me via e-mail discussing my ideas and telling me how to do good PR to get all these Forum flooding, Topic locking, Blog Blasting moneys off my back. I really appreciate the help he is providing to me. I’m not going to use Granular because it has worse problems than PCLinuxOS does when you remaster. My next target is MINT with KDE or maybe gentoo. Richard does not think I should use gentoo because it has non-free stuff in it. So I’m starting to think that a quick remaster of Mint with KDE would be good and then I need to sit down, rethink what I should do and rebuild the thing from the ground up. Richard Stallman thinks I should join an existing project and supply my ideas but I explained to him how no one wants to cadre to the Windows user and listen.
By the way I know I’m not one to talk but it’s “be spent on” not “be spend on”.
I’ve been informed that most of the people that are flaming me are from out of the country and don’t speak English. I’m sure someone would be happy to help you with that, or maybe you “don’t invest any learning”.
You may also want to read my new FAQ here http://www.mindblowingidea.com/FAQ.html for further details.
If you want to give me flack be a man and use my forum. Just don’t use cussing.
December 26th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Hi Justin,
I think Richard has a good point. If you want to remaster existing distributions in order to make them more accessible to Windows users, you better consider joining a current project.
AS for digging up the past: this all happened in the last couple of months, which means it isn’t ancient history. The facts are as they are and do prove a chain of serious mistakes in getting your new project on the road. Like I wrote, mistakes can be made and can be corrected. However, in this case, most of your mistakes could have been avoided by simple using a search engine and doing some research. I know it is easy, I did it myself. I didn’t even have to converse with Richard Stallman about it. You are the one to blame for the nightmare, not all others.
Blaming the critics is not a good strategy in building a new community. Unless you want a group of sycophants supporting the project. Criticism, even brutal criticism, is part and parcel of the work of an open source developer. It might not be nice, it might not be Christlike, but it’s part of a culture that developed over the years and resulted in a great operating system.
In the open source culture you prove yourself right by what you create. You state that all current distributions do not take the Windows user into account. Good. That’s a viewpoint. Now prove it. But, as my article shows, Ultumix does not prove it, at least not now. A simple rebranding of PCLinuxOS and adding a Vista-like theme doesn’t create a Windows user friendly Linux distribution.
As for picking on the typo: thank you for correcting me there. Though it is kind of childish to hammer on it like this, don’t you think?
Finally, I am not criticizing your religion. I wouldn’t dream of doing that, but my conclusion stands: the way you are handling the Ultumix project right now doesn’t do honor to both God and Jesus Christ.
December 26th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
“I’ve been informed that most of the people that are flaming me are from out of the country and don’t speak English. I’m sure someone would be happy to help you with that, or maybe you “don’t invest any learning”
Justin, as soon as you speak any language, any at all, as well as us foreigners speak English, please let us know (in French, German, Chinese or Dutch f.i.). You are aware of the fact that English, much less American English is not world language nr.1
As long as you continue to barge into communities and demand they “merge” with you, as you did with Granular, expect to be booted out of every single one of them. Fleeing to Gentoo or Mint will not solve your problems; listening definitely WILL!
Now, why donṫ you re-read this whole thread again? Jan hinted kindly that you need to learn more about all of the different kinds of licenses in existence as for instance Firefox comes with its own license, the “Mozilla License”. As long as you do not show that you can grasp that concept, you are not going anywhere.
Mr.Stallman gave you some great, free, advice. What do you do? You throw it in his face because he doesn’t understand your exalted motives? Come off it, Justin. You are just rehashing something many before you have done.
And for using your forum: have you looked at it lately? Why would you suppose anybody would step into that?
December 26th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Hello world,
It seems sad that so many have to jump on Ultumix and its author Justin Breighaupt, in the way that you all are. I can not help but to research some of the mudslingering flamthrowing that are on this pile. This seems a little like an old game I used to play when I was 11 or 12 years old. “Dog pile on the rabbit”. It seems that the top dogs on this rabbit are as follows:
http://opensourcelearning.info/blog/?p=720
Archie
DidouPH
Data2000
davecs
newmikey
Marius Timu
Donkey
janstedehouder
Jan Stedehouder
http://opensourcelearning.info/blog/?feed=rss2&p=720
Jan Stedehouder
janstedehouder
Donkey
Marius Timu
newmikey
dvecs
Data2000
DidouPh
Archie
Seems like I have seen most of these usernames on mypclos and pclos forums. Some of them as admins and forum moderators and maintainers. Is there just a little bias in the “dog pile” in the direction of favor to PCLOS? So, what else do you have to prove, being from biased view of the subject, that you love to play “Dog pile on the Rabbit”, or are just stuck at age 11 or 12?
So, I guess that I am next, EdwinStarr, being that I like Ultumix. I always wanted Justin to only call it a remaster of PCLOS when I started with him a month ago. I understand that PCLinuxOS has a right to retain its trademarks. I respect that. But, did not PCLOS invite this problem when they opened up the opportunity to do remasters of itself to other community members? Was this an invite, or a “lure” to get some rabbits in here so we can have some fun — flaming and mudslinging?
I have lost some respect for pclos and mypclos from all this. But that will not mean anything to such “big” contenders in “this” Linux community. Will anything positive be in store from all you “biggies” other then showing just how you can criticize so professionally as I see you doing to Ultumix and Justin Breithaupt (an American). He is 22, I Edwin Starr Hallgrimson am 54(an American), how old do you want us to be? 11 or 12.
I am on Justin’s side. So, I guess I am the next rabbit for you to pile on. Or at least it seems to make me a target. Don’t you just hate it when that 11 or 12 year old attitude gets in your way? After all this, I do believe I will remove myself from such biases. So what?
Yours truly,
EdwinStarr.
December 27th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Further responses have been made at my forum under the Open Discussion. Don’t worry about trigger happy moderators. You won’t find any unlike a lot of other forums.
December 27th, 2007 at 11:07 am
Justin,
As you are so keen on correct English by foreigners, let me help you on a few errors in your own writings.
- “then your part of the problem” should be “you’re” as in “you are”. “your” means ” in your possesion”. At least you are consistent in your abuse of the English language.
- “get off their buts” it is actually spelled “butts”, with double t
- “talk me threw” Threw is actually the past tense of the verb “to throw” as in “he threw the ball”. You should have used “through” in the meaning of “by means of”. Again, this is one you use in all of your writings, so you may not know the correct spelling at all.
- “no one wants to cadre to the Windows user” I suppose you meant “cater” as in “provide assistance”
- “give me flack” should actually be “flak”, a German word used to describe the anti-aircraft batteries in German cities during WWII
And in the FAQ you refer to:
- “Some believe it’s jelousy” this is actually spelled “jealousy”, with an “a”
- “has threatened to stock me” you probably wanted to indicate he has threatened to “stalk” you.
- “I am continuly using all of my spare time” should be “continuously”. I really don’t know why you do not use a spellchecker if your spelling is that bad.
- “how to better this OS and asking for help” is grammatical nonsense. You can better yourself, something I would sincerely advise you.
Now on your insistence that “I don’t want Ultumix to become commercial”: just looking around this forum and seeing the references to “making money”, then looking at the way you offered your unfinished product right from the get-go at ridiculous prices, the hats&mugs marketing at Zazzle makes me doubt your intentions. I suppose that is part of the reason you get so much distrust from everybody.
Until now, all you have done is damage the reputation of Linux as a whole and PCLinuxOS in particular by your incoherent, grammatically incorrect, spelling-mistakes-riddled writings that can barely be identified as English in the first place.
Now you go on attacking every single person that comments here on little things like spelling, you will be rewarded thousand-fold in return. Go on misstating the facts like “I left Granular” instead of “I got kicked out on my behind”, you will get the level of trust you deserve. You go on claiming you are the brilliant initiator of this great project while on the other side admitting you cannot even get one single webpage to look remotely acceptable, damages your credibility - or whatever remains of it after the past few months.
I am slowly coming to the understanding you may need more help than you actually realize.
December 27th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Just one correction as everyone else has summed up everything else just fine, The start icon isnt a “globe” but from the screenshot, it looks AWFULLY similar to the “pinwheel” logo that pclos used in an earlier release before settling on the blue circle pc logo..so its basically that icon with the letters start edited in.=/
December 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pm
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=716106
These guys have some serious problems.
December 27th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
He says he’s going to delete it after a certain poster reads it, I have a saved copy here if you don’t get it in time, if interested, post here. He seems prejudice against foreigners, at least I get that impression, but that’s only one problem.
December 28th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Horrid absolutely horrid. Naught else needs said!
December 28th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
I am a very happy user of PCLinuxOS, so I read this article with interest. Thanks for letting us know about this “Ultumix” distro. While it’s true that spin-offs are often good, sometimes it doesn’t work out so well. The best deal for all Linux users is to read articles pro and con about each new distro and make up their own mind.
I hope that the creator of Ultumix will continue to improve his vision and work WITH the PCLinuxOS team to resolve difficulties.
December 28th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Thirty days with PCLinuxOS…
Actually, Ultumix, a derivative of PCLinuxOS. Seems like it didn’t go so well:
“Anyway, stumbling upon Ultumix was only a side-effect of research PCLinuxOS. It doesn’t say anything about the PCLinuxOS project itself. It is however an example of h…
December 28th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
I like that (from the main page of ultumix):
>The PCLinuxOS community has asked that we give them
>some of this money too continue their project as >well, however we can not communicate with them at this >time.
I can’t hear you, crrxzcsadfkjhsd I’m going through a tunnel right now
December 28th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
I like that (from the main page of ultumix):
>The PCLinuxOS community has asked that we give them
>some of this money too continue their project as >well, however we can not communicate with them at this >time.
I can’t hear you, crrxzcsadfkjhsd I’m going through a tunnel right now
Or is the need to pray and severe earthly bonds while preparing a new linux distro?
December 28th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
What a piece of crap this article is.
And what really irks me most is the BS title.
I followed this link from LinuxToday because I wanted to read about some guys experience with PCLinuxOS and NOT about some newbie rolling his own variation.
You want to troll for hits?
Then fuck you for wasting my time.
Best regards.
RK
December 28th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
The idea of learning how to do good PR from RMS is hilarious. RMS has many strengths, but being good at PR isn’t one of them, which in his case is likely a good thing.
December 28th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
“Richard does not think I should use gentoo because it has non-free stuff in it. So I’m starting to think that a quick remaster of Mint with KDE would be good”
Mint is basically a remaster of Ubuntu with a bunch of non-free stuff added (codecs etc)
December 28th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
@ Robuka
I am sorry you were misled by the abbreviated title on the Linux Today website. This was a topic I stumbled upon while preparing the series about PCLinuxOS. Getting more hits for the series isn’t my main goal and I definitely don’t need to use ’sexy’ titles to get listed on Linux Today.
@Edwin Starr
I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise to find my own name on my own weblog. When you check the responses to my PCLinuxOS articles you will notice that I am not exactly considered that distro’s favorite writer.
As for the accusation to being biased: just show me where the bias is. I put all distributions on the same test bench, using similar criteria. The issue isn’t whether Justin is justified to create a remaster of PCLinuxOS (nor his or your age. What a nonsense argument by the way.), but the way he stumbles into one problem after another because of not doing some simple research. There are plenty of remasters in the world of Linux and I am okay with that. Yes, I criticize the way Justin handles this project and the way he handles those who criticize.
@All
I apologize it took a few days to moderate all contributions. I’ve been out of town and out of reach for a couple of days.
Update on Granular
For the sake of completeness, this is the post in the Granular forum where newmikey is referring to:
http://www.granularproject.org/?q=node/98
I believe Chris gave a very balanced and friendly answer, in which he tries to help Justin Breithaupt.
December 28th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
“Edwin Starr”
I apologize if incorrect, but I had a very dumb thought, based on everything going on. Is this a real person? Justin mentions not having any/much help, then there’s this guy (who also misspells words). Some of his writing on their forum also sounds like it’s coming from some sort of preacher…. Starr…, put Tex in front of it and…. An alter ego made to look like another person to help? I don’t know, again, I apologize Edwin if that’s your real name, it was just a thought I had.
December 29th, 2007 at 3:44 am
Of course this blog is now getting more publicity than ever before and for that I congratulate you. You just had to drag someone threw the mud to do it.
I’m not writing back because you have gotten to me but I just thought I should clear one thing up first. I don’t want to exclude any races from using Linux. Sure I don’t support stores like Wall Mart because they buy overseas, sure I try to buy stuff made in the USA, thats called patriotism and it means that I actually think that what our country stood for when it was founded was a good thing. I can’t control what our government does now because they are spiraling out of the people’s control and into the corporation’s control but that does not change my morality.
All though I am not racist I don’t feel comfortable around certain races because I just don’t. It has nothing to do with me not liking them. I am just not use to being around them because I have been in a small town most of my life where the majority of people are white or Native American.
I also am not racist against Gays or Lesbians but I will not stand for them imposing their beliefs on me or my person. As with any race or religion that goes against my morality.
If the Linux community is all about community and getting along then why are there so many of you reaching at each other’s throats or just generally excluding each other? That does sound like a community to me. A community of gang bangers, or head hunters, or cannibals. Call it what you want but I don’t want to belong to any community that has these ideals. I’m sorry you feel the way you guys do. You have the right to feel the way you do but to impose your feelings on others in the form of verbal abuse, mental abuse, or physical abuse is not to be condoned.
I’ll say this. Your “communities” that each of you represent are ones that exclude me or look down on me for making an effort to better the product that our communities put out. But it’s not just me you exclude. There have been numerous other cases of people being excluded. Want to ask someone who can count many more people just like me? e-mail helios@Lobby4linux.com. He will tell you just what has been done in the past.
United we stand. Divided we fall. I did make a mistake but some of the others like me have not and have been put threw much worse. The persecution of the Linux Community needs to end before the Linux community ends.
What you fail to realize is that now is the time to retaliate against Micro$oft by simply providing a better product (not running them down) and showing Windows users how easy it is to switch. I’ll just come out and say Vista Sucks. My newest release I’m working on (Mint KDE without the illegal non-free packages) was installed on an ASUS Laptop with 2 GBs of RAM, a dual core Intel CPU, and an NVIDIA 8400m 128MB Video Card. In GNU/Linux Mint KDE 4.0 Ultumix Edition it ran very fast and was easy for the Windows user to quickly pick up. (I tested it on a user that had never used it before) I did have to tell him how to install the extra codecs. Then we restarted the machine and ran Vista Home Premium. Internet Exploder was told to go to download.com and it froze and the entire Vista OS froze and died in an endless sleep mode. We rebooted it 3 times before we got Firefox installed. Even then it was sluggish. It felt like we were using an 800Mhz 32 bit PC with 128MB of RAM.
So you see victory is at hand and your all too buisy fighting each other to help out.
Remember: If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
December 29th, 2007 at 4:01 am
In regards to the post on my site about not being able to communicate with PCLinuxOS they banned me from their site. How do you expect me to donate anything and why would I want to after they have been so rude to me?
December 29th, 2007 at 5:57 am
@ Justin
It seems you are adding a lot of issues to the discussion. I am fine with that. But would you mind clearing up some issues?
First, it is mentioned on your forum that Ultumix is striving for 100% GPL-ed software: http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4683183.
Then, under the title “Permission from adobe to distribute Flash Pla”(sic!), you are showing a copy of a letter by Adobe, giving you permission to include Adobe Reader (not Flashplayer!), which isn’t GPL.
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1900538&forum_id=764165
Oh, and I’ve read your FAQ page. Let’s say I am sorry to see you haven’t learned from the various people in Linux communities that were patient and kind enough to provide feedback. To take your tag line: “if you created the problem, you can’t be part of the solution”.
December 29th, 2007 at 6:13 am
Addressing the author of this article:
Sadly, you have failed basic social psychology. It is obvious that the producer of this PCLinuxOS remaster is not even near being proficient in English, let alone being proficient in making people understand his intentions IN ENGLISH.
From his statements; style of language; use of words it is easy to figure out what kind of a guy he is. He’s definitely not the witty one, definitely much unlike you. He sounds like a too-honest guy with a lot to say and talk about who just happens to miss obvious things because of just that - being too honest. He is the one being victimized, just because he can’t communicate properly and is a little bit on the hyper (he likes to help people a lot so he came up with this “Linux for Windows Users by Previous Windows Users”). In short, he’s just a helpful guy who wants to help beyond his ability.
December 29th, 2007 at 6:22 am
Actually John, I scored 8 on a 10 point scale (serious, not being witty here). And I wish I could agree with your argument. However, there is a difference between not being fluent in English (which I never used as an argument), making mistakes and learning from them (which I only encourage) and not paying attention to suggestions and pointers from people (which has nothing to do with being too honest, even in psychology).
There are plenty of very young developers in the Linux world that hardly speak English, but who nonetheless make solid contributions to Linux from the best of motives. It’s their work that deserves appreciation.
December 29th, 2007 at 7:18 am
I appreciate the traffic your driving to my website! It says that it went up by over 750 page hits per day where as before I only had an average of about 200. It’s just a spike but I still appreciate it. Thanks. According to the statistics below 33.26% of these hits are a direct result of your forum posts.
http://www.mindblowingidea.com/ 38.55%
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php 23.26%
http://www.mindblowingidea.com/index.html 14.18%
http://www.mindblowingidea.com/Ultumix 13.07%
http://www.mindblowingidea.com/ComputerRescue.html 6.25%
http://us.1.p6.webhosting.yahoo.com/stats 4.69%
People going directly to mindblowingidea.com
Unknown 54.46%
http://www.mindblowingidea.com/Ultumix 33.36%
http://ultumix.wiki.sourceforge.net/ 6.07%
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Alpha_Omega_Encryption/1141277313/1 1.41%
http://www.google.it/search 1.30%
http://www.mindblowingidea.com/Ultumix2008PreRelease/ 1.16%
http://www.fixya.com/support/t283714-problem_signing_in_msn_hotmail_account 1.13%
http://www.thetuxproject.com/node/48 1.11%
According to the information below only 48.23% of people seeing my site use Linux which is good because that means that the majority of people looking at my site are using Windows and thinking about switching to Linux.
Linux 48.23%
Windows NT 5.1 42.02%
Windows NT 6.0 5.12%
Windows NT 5.0 4.63%
This site will confirm these findings as well http://www.hitcountersonline.com/details.php?page=378828&print_page=http://www.mindblowingidea.com/Ultumix
Once again I could never have got these results without your help. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
December 29th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Ok so to give the author a difficult time, and imply that she is doing this for page hits, is just plain silly.
Especially now that you are the only one posting page hit ratings. And yet again it’s almost as if you are doing this on purpose. I don’t think your doing any of this by accident, or out of just not knowing. Maybe you are a lot smarter than everyone is giving you credit for. Because you just keep this going. You don’t want this to end, so it must be your 15 minutes of fame.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
Don’t worry about it. I think any blogger who claims he or she isn’t happy with page hits is lying through his/her teeth. If you put yourself in the public spotlight (like I do), you have to accept some undeserved, sometimes harsh judgments. From where I am standing it becomes funny to be called a M$ basher, a Microsoft FUD spreader, a PCLinuxOS hater and someone with a bias towards PCLinuxOS over the course of months. I know I am not writing to get more page hits, I write because I like writing about open source and Linux. Or BSD as I did in the last couple of months.
Justin’s post is a testimony to himself, one that is safely preserved in this thread. Whether he will still like it in ten years time…. well, only time will tell
December 29th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
*WELL*…”judge them by their works” no one likes their work being used by others without credit…the best things in life are free and its to hell with them that charge…I prefer origional work so I will stick with PCLinuxOS,its one of my top ten distros.
December 29th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
“Sure I don’t support stores like Wall Mart because they buy overseas”
Short-sighted or just plain stupid. Whether you like it or not, almost nothing that says “made in the USA” actually is. Ever heard of the NAFTA agreement or the EU-Mexico Free Trade Agreement? What about the Morocco-USA FTA?
“All though I am not racist I don’t feel comfortable around certain races because I just don’t.”
That is exactly what a racist IS Justin: someone who does not feel comfortable “around certain races”. You therefore ARE a racist by your own admission.
“I also am not racist against Gays or Lesbians but I will not stand for them imposing their beliefs on me or my person.”
Gays and lesbians are not part of any race that I know of. They do not impose anything on anyone, they just want to enjoy the same level of freedom that you and I have. As to them “imposing their beliefs” on you: last time I looked there were christian gays as well as jewish, muslim, hindu and not to speak of atheist gays and even agnostic gays. You yourself seem do do an awesome job of imposing your christian beliefs on others who did not ask for them.
“As with any race or religion that goes against my morality.”
Yeah, we understood that right the first time you said it. There are races and religions that go against your morality. Where in history have we heard that lately?
“Want to ask someone who can count many more people just like me? e-mail helios@Lobby4linux.com.”
Oh, I think you should not start comparing yourself to Ken. You don’t even reach his left little toe, whatever the trouble he has gone through, he has something to show for it. He has actually DONE something.
“The persecution of the Linux Community needs to end before the Linux community ends.”
There IS no persecution and we, all of us, both for and against you, ARE the Linux Community you so desperately want to be a part of. We welcome you, we want to actually help you, but you do not accept any help.
“My newest release I’m working on (Mint KDE without the illegal non-free packages)”
Whether you noticed or not, somebody else already released Mint and it was not you. Judging by the lame discussion about libdvdcss on your forum, you still have not begun to grasp the many levels of legal potholes on this road.
“Remember: If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.”
Again, Justin, it is “you’re” and not the possessive “your”. Damned foreigners mangle their English every time!
You are not “the solution”, neither is dumping a few icons on a desktop with a different wallpaper. You have to do better than that to convince anyone at all. This is not about cosmetics. You most definitely qualify as “the problem” yourself.
December 29th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
Hi,
Mud, Flames, but for maybe 3 positive and constructive comments, all else is more of the same stuff. Mud and Flames
BTW, Yes, AH1, I am a real person. Lets see, how can I prove this? Do I want to be droug out on the carpet like Justin? Why not. No guts, no glory. Here is some of my web sites for you all to test to see if I am real or not.
http://www.edswebsites.com (suppose to be my commercial site - go ahead, mud and flame, I am not asking for help)
http://www.timeforjesusonline.com (someone will have fun with this own!)
http://www.busybeesonline.com (an old cybercafe from a year ago)
http://www.birdbrains.biz (a website I host freely for a client)
http://www.hamersauto.com (an old friend)
Maybe somewhere in these web sites you can see that I am not Justin’s made up id to help his cause, whatevet that is. I could give some more proof that I am real, but I would like to keep my personal life to myself.
I have maybe 10 more domain names registered too, but I have not started using them yet.
Go right ahead, mud me, flame me, whatever. At this point in this thread, it is more entertaining just to read all the negative mud slinging and flame throughing from so called professionals in the literaturary field.
BTW, I am not a professional writer, but I am real. And, Starr is my real middle name. I am proud of it. And there is a story about it that dates 4 or 5 generations. It is a registered brand in Montana. But, don’t get me wrong, just because I have a brand does not mean I am a rich rancher in Montana. I am quite poor monetarily at this point of my life. Rich in other ways. Thank you very much.
I am real,
EdwinStarr
December 29th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I was not going to say this because I thought it would cause an uproar but I guess it’s too late for that. Ken Starks is the one that suggested to me that I remaster Mint. He told me he will even work on a script for me (that I specified) that will ask the user questions like “Do you own a valid copy of Windows or Mac” “If Yes then you will be able to play music in more formats.” Yes or no.
“Some Governments including the US Government do not believe it is legal for you to play your DVDs on your PC using free DVD players.” “If you believe that you should be able to play DVDs anyway despite this warning please click YES below.” Then the user will be redirected to sign my petition that will give them the right to play DVDs and the libdvd codecs will be installed automatically. And if everything goes to plan it will ask them after that if they want to import their user files from Windows XP, Vista, 98, 2000.
December 29th, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Hi,
Oops, I want to say I take complements too. Mud and flames are not my only invite in this whole thing.
I want everyone to know also, I think PCLinuxOS 2007 is the best Linux os I have found so far.
I came from a Red Hat background over at Rocky Mountain College in Billings, Montana. I just mean that that was where, and when, I got exposed to Linux at. I didn’t like Red Hat, so I started distro hopping until I ran across PCLinuxOS. In my opinion, pclos is the greatest Linux dostro that there will ever be.
IMHO,
EdwinStarr
December 29th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
There is a point where I won’t allow this discussion to continue and the disdain that Justin Breithaupt and Edwin Starr Hallgrimson are showing for me and the other commentators is that point.
The more I see about how Justin is building his distribution and making grand claims to more I feel we need to protect him from himself. Grand claims? Yes! His grand words about striking a deal with Adobe for the flashplayer. It’s sad, because it is quite simply a matter of filling in a online form. Heck, everyone could get it. The fact that he has hopped through three distributions in a couple of weeks is another evidence he has absolutely no clue what he is doing.
Both his and Edwin’s posts in this thread have proven the key argument of the article more than my words have done. No doubt the discussion will continue and I will allow it as long as it contains substance. I won’t allow another set of posts full of disdain for other contributors. No doubt I will be consider “yet another dictator” for this. So be it.
Looking forward to your contributions.
December 29th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
I guess Edwin and me don’t get it. If we are supoes to learn something that others haven’t already told us from your slam against the Ultumix idea. Everything you stated here is a repeat of what I’ve heard in the past. I’m not sure what I’m not getting but there are others that are high up in the Linux community that don’t get it either so I guess we are just not on the same level as all of you. We must be living in the 2D world where you are a 3D sphere and your trying to describe what you are to us. We don’t get it. The only way you will be able to explain it to us so that we do get the hidden message is if you pull us into your world some how.
December 29th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Wrong. Nobody is slamming against the idea of an easy to use Linux distribution that provides seemless migration from Windows to Linux. But, to wrap this up, what were you supposed to learn?
(1) Respect license issues, trademarks and authors rights. That requires you to read up on the subject.
(2) Respect the work other distribution builders have done. They have tackled most of the issues and spend an enormous amount time, work and money to give shape to their vision. If you want to make a remaster, fine, but don’t call it something you created. If you want to fork an existing project and build something really new, fine, but make that clear as well.
(3) Develop a vision and I mean a real vision and translate that into what you want to see in a Linux distribution. At least that way you are consistent in your choices. Others might not agree, but a vision is easier to defend than blind ignorance and failure.
(4) Cooperate instead of demand. You can’t jump on someone’s doorstep and tell them they are wise to merge with your project.
(5) Grow up and learn to deal with criticism. You are no stranger to handing out criticism here and there (Microsoft, Paypall, the entire Linux community). At least be a man and take as much as you try to hand out, instead of reverting to ridiculous arguments like typos, religion, patriotism or to playing the village idiot.
(6) Admit your mistakes, learn from them, listen to the more experienced people who really tried to help and start all over. This time actually doing some real work instead of taking shortcuts.
But, as the disdain in your final post (no, this was not a typo. This wasn’t your last post, but your final one in this thread) shows I have absolutely no illusion that you will take these and other points to heart and think about them. Therefore, lesson 7 is:
(7) “Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.” (Romans 12:16-18, NIV).
December 29th, 2007 at 11:34 pm
Hi,
The 7 points you made, in my head, score 7 for 7. I have never intentionally intended to disdain your article, I only questioned your motives for it. I agree with you on your 7 points of latest post. All 7 points. I agree.
So, why am I here defending someone that made all these mistakes? The answer to that is; ‘I am not really sure why, other than this young Linux user has some good qualities in him along with the bad’, and I have high hopes he has learned from everyone in this thread how to continue forward in his endever to help make the Linux world a little easier to work in.
Jan Stedehauder, you did a, mostly, great job in this article and its followup. I only wished it were a praise of Ultumix instead of the critic. I only hope Justin will get the correct direction from all this
I have always believed that Ultumix should just be a remaster of PCLinuxOS, and I still believe that is all Justin should do with it. I now hope he will move onward in the right direction from now on with Ultumix, get it right, or at lease righter, and move forward with the objective. That being, making Linux easier and better Windows users to switch over to. The Linux -zeelot-hacker was, and is, and always will be, only trying to help.
My humble regrets,
EdwinStarr
December 30th, 2007 at 4:43 am
Jan,
First off thanks for your kind words, and also the nice words for Granular Linux, and team granular. We appreciate it. Also I cannot help but saying that I do like your writing, and style. Not following much of your work in the past, I plan on following up in the future. I really enjoyed the article. Thank You,
Sincerely,
Chris
December 30th, 2007 at 9:08 am
@ Edwin
Thank you. The research for this article was started with an open mind. If Ultumix had been manhandled wrongly and unjustly by whomever and had it been a distribution meeting up to it’s goals, I can assure you the article would have been different. It might have provoked the wrath of others, but that’s fine.
I harbour no resentment and I do hope that future iterations of Ultumix will improve. When a release warrants it you can expect a review with conclusions that you are happy with. Please, if you can, provide the guidance to the team that your life experience can bring.
@ Chris
Thank you for appreciation, though I am merely contributing my own skills to help promoting the real work you and many other developers are doing. I will look at various PCLinuxOS related distributions in the course of this series and I will include Granular as well. It will be an interesting 30 days.
December 30th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Jan,
Ok thanks, also worth noting then. We are nearing the completion of our next release. We are hoping to have everything put together near the end of January. Hopefully the timing will work out to our advantage. And we will have the new release for you to test drive, for the article.
Take Care
Chris
December 30th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Saw the latest scribble of our dear Justin. I suggest we do not honour this guy with attention anymore. He’s too far out to reach and does not have even the beginning of a clue. His own remaster doesn’t boot anymore and he is, again, blaming others for that. No matter that every other remaster out there boots perfectly fine, he is not to blame for his own failure.
He is now comparing PCLinuxOS to Vista and if that is not enough, states that WinXP was QUOTE: “a very stable OS”. Misrepresenting the facts such as PCLOS supposedly having switched to Gnome (not true off course) and Gnome would be even harder for ex-Windows users to learn.
He has confessed in this thread how serious he takes equality and justice for all, regardless of race or religion as long as they are white, christian, heterosexual and speak English. I find him a disgrace to the whole FOSS community that has proven so many times to have a total disregard for borders, be they ethnic, topographical or sexual. It is one of the strengths that everyone is welcome to make a contribution and everyone is recognized for that contribution.
I for one am not going to reward the guy with any more keyboardtime.
I’m done. I hope he crawls back into the whole he came from, which no doubt he will not. So I will not take the bait anymore.
December 30th, 2007 at 10:15 pm
“He has confessed in this thread how serious he takes equality and justice for all, regardless of race or religion as long as they are white, christian, heterosexual and speak English.”
newmikey I don’t know what your smoking but it must have cost a fortune. I never said that.
I support missionaries to India and other countries and you are full of it. So just be quiet.
You might want to re read my PCLinuxOS pots on lxer.com. In the Blog my friend corrected me about the Gnome thing. Yes XP was more stable than Vista. When SP2 came out XP was pretty good. There is no arguing with that. It was very stable compared to other versions of Windows and Micro$oft only went downhill after that.
I didn’t come in here to make a reply but I just figured that I had to point out that you are not telling the truth.
December 31st, 2007 at 9:41 am
Note:I have allowed this last post of Justin since I do feel he has the right to defend himself as to the points newmikey made and because the answer is mostly factual (I think the remark about smoking could have been left out, but it’s understandable).
This -maybe not surprisingly- invoked another response. However, this was an attack on Justin’s beliefs and how he expresses it. It had nothing to do with the topic under discussion and would only incite a new round of inflammatory posts that serve no purpose. For that reason I decided not to allow that response here. I apologize if that offends anyone.
As the first sentence of the second paragraph in the article states: ‘Another core principle is perhaps “respect”.’ I appreciate a healthy, even heated, debate on this weblog, as I do believe that this is part of the strength of open source development. For that I thank all of you who participated and I am looking forward to your future contributions.
Regards,
Jan Stedehouder
December 31st, 2007 at 10:36 am
Jan, I am not offended at all and you may be right. My last response was not factual and did go right for his throat. I just cannot stand this kind of self-righteous racism and stupidity.
I will be looking forward to your PCLOS series on this blog. You’re doing a great job here!
Obviously, you are very welcome over at pclinuxos.nl
January 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
As an update:
(1) Ultumix is no longer based on PCLinuxOS, but on Linux Mint.
(2) I have moderated out various comments by Justin Breithaupt as they were nothing but inflammatory. If you want to see those comments, feel free to visit the Ultumix forum for that:
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1901819&forum_id=764438
(3) Following the statement on the Ultumix website that profits from sales will be used to help Komputers4Kids and PomeroyLab LUG, I did a little research on PomeroyLab. It didn’t bring out a lot of new information, just a confirmation of what has been mentioned in the article and what can be seen in the posts here and in the Ultumix forums. One thing I would like to add as information.
As late as September 2007 Pomeroy Lab LUG (i.e. the Linux User Group that Justin Breithaupt is responsible for, to quote “because I’m the only one who is Versed in Linux in this entire area”) was having an argument with Ubuntu about their status as a LoCo team. Ubuntu LoCo teams are meant to promote and support the use of Ubuntu at local levels, where Pomeroy Lab LUG was already pushing the use of other distributions as well. Some links:
http://nixedblog.thenixedreport.com/?p=81&print=1
http://www.mail-archive.com/loco-contacts@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01282.html
http://olylug.org/read.php?1,7419,7524
January 7th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Justin is at it again ;-))) From the Linux Mint forums:
[quote="Ultumix"]One issue with 0.0.1.2 is that after you install it even if you specify settings durring install everything is exactly the same as before I remastered it. So this means your password will be owner and your root password will be root. DO NOT CHANGE THE OWNER FOLDER! You can change the owner password or root password at any time if you wish.
Please let me know what you think of this OS. Thanks.[/quote]
[quote="BlahBlah_X"]Uhhh did you use the dist or backup part of remasterys?
Because if you used the backup part, than yes, no one will be able to change the username and password during install, because that is how remastersys was made.[/quote]
January 8th, 2008 at 6:03 am
The latest Ultumix is available via Torrentbox:
http://www.torrentbox.com/torrent_details?id=161603
Some quotes from the description:
CUPS? Easy for previous Windows users?
This is simply nonsense. Heck, you could upload a single 8 Gb ISO file and then burn that on a dual layer DVD.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Justin reveals his true motives, thank you Justin for setting us right. I had some feelings you were not doing this for the love of Linux only:
By: Justin Breithaupt (worldwidelabProject Admin) - 2008-01-07 21:42
A certain group …. are thinking of buying 1,000 computers with this distribution on them …
…we can use the money from the computers to:
1. Advertise and improve Ultumix by hiring an X Microsoft Programmer who helped create DOS - Windows 98.
2. Continue the next year selling 100,000 computers to the same group of people.
….
5. Save money for several years so that we may send the message all over the world at once.
…
8. I can expand my new company I will form and help combat Micro$oft by selling these computers all over the world.
January 8th, 2008 at 6:51 am
The recommended remastering tool for Mint does not allow for 4 GB files on the .iso Don’t ask me why ask them. Unlike the PCLinuxOS community we have their blessing, they just asked us to stop calling it Mint KDE 4.0 Ultumix and start calling it Ultumix 0.0.1.2 and they also said they recognize it as a separate distro. I was just being careful to make sure they got credit.
Yes I know you think the Cups thing takes a rocket surgeon right? (rocket science + brain Surgery) Well some times people find the control center confusing too so I thought a link directly to cups might be helpful to some. Also the documentation includes both sets of instructions for setting up a printer.
I worked very hard on this and the Mint guys are not complaining, so far your not complaining, and no one else is complaining.
Thanks.
January 8th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Yes Justin, you can’t put a single file with a size larger than 4 Gb on a DVD, because you run against the same limitations as on a FAT32 partition. But you can have an ISO-file larger than 4 Gb.
And to put it simply: CUPS is not a tool for people who are used to working under Windows. I am not talking rocket science, but common sense. But then again:
http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=8056&p=49881&hilit=Ultumix#p49881
And to quote your own “expertise”:
http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=8056&p=50022&hilit=Ultumix#p50022
And you are definitely someone to give credit where credit is due:
http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=8334&p=52114&hilit=Ultumix#p52114
I can understand why the people at Mint asked to have their names removed.
Update: LOL. Even got banned from Isohunt
http://isohunt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108311&view=next
And they know Ultumix at the Fedora forums:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=177029&highlight=Ultumix
January 8th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Clem at linuxmint.com wrote me a letter. Here is what it said.
“Hi,
There’s no problem at all with modifying Linux Mint and I’m actually happy to see it happening. As you experiment with it you might produce something new and innovate on top of what we’re already doing so in a way it’s testing grounds for us and another opportunity to research. You’re the second distribution based on Linux Mint (the first one being
pyrolinux).
The only issue I can see is the fact that your ISO is named after Linux Mint 4.0 and it might confuse people into making them think you’re an “Edition”. Editions have a very precise meaning in Linux Mint as they
are officially tested and reviewed by the team and don’t benefit from much freedom.
I know you did that in respect to Linux Mint and to show your appreciation but what you’re doing is a derivative work, a remaster, a separate
distribution. In a way you’re doing this on your own the way you want it and although this is fine I would insist on you creating your own image.
We’re ourselves based on Ubuntu and although we’re grateful to Ubuntu for the work done we’re very careful into removing any Ubuntu branding
and calling ourselves with a very distrinctive name. This is better for us but also for Ubuntu so respective users don’t get confused.
Keep up the good work. I’m hoping to test your ISO soon enough and I wish you luck with Ultumix.
Best Regards,
Clem.”
Confirm this if you think you need to. Here was my reply to him.
“Pomeroy Lab wrote:
> Thanks. One of the many reasons I called it GNU/Linux Mint KDE 4.0
> Ultumix 0.0.1.2 is because when I was remastering PCLinuxOS they kept
> saying I should not have given it a separate name because I was
> stealing their work. ? But anyway I already named the .iso file and
> uploaded it to the tracker sites. I don’t think I can change the
names
> because the file names have already been set.
> What I can do is make a special not on my site or SF.net page for the
> current versions and after my mirror site buddies get their copies up
> I will have them rename the .iso as well without the Mint KDE 4.0 name in it.
> I hope this is acceptable.”
Then he replied.
“No problem at all. It’s a pity you got that kind of reaction from the PCLinuxOS community. Open Source and Free Software are all about reusing existing open innovations and making them better…
Clem”
I’m sure some of you will probably e-mail poor Clem and tell him he’s being fed lies. To be honest I don’t really care what you tell him because the proof is in the pudding and as he said in his first post he will be downloading my iso and trying it out for himself.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Well, for your information, I won’t mail Clem. The operative words “making them better” will be sufficient for anyone to pass judgment.
This another example of you having to change an already uploaded and distributed remaster -in this case Linux Mint- instead of taking the time to get this permission and instruction beforehand. What is wrong with waiting a couple of weeks? You seem to be headstrong in hammering out a new remaster every week and then proclaiming it the pinnacle of Linux distributions. You simply make the same mistake over and over again, get burned for it and then blame the respective communities they don’t understand your “vision”.
The way you are going I can keep on writing updates for this thread for a long time and still not reach a point where I can write: “Wow, he finally grasped it.”
January 8th, 2008 at 9:26 am
No you can never write “Wow, he finally grasped it.” for one of two reasons.
1. I got it the first 5000 times from the people before you who included the positive as well as the negative.
2. I will never get it because I can’t understand your train of thought or your point.
Second I really don’t care about your opinion any more. All I care about is that the facts are stated without slander. I continue to thank you for your site traffic. Your Google.com’s top 3 on an Ultumix search. Should make you feel pretty important getting all that traffic. Some times it even appears at the top before my site to Ultumix.
Normally this is called herasement and I’m starting to wonder if your not really coomjohn or johncoom or whoever or maybe you and coomjohn and newmikey are all the same person? or maybe your all part of a secret society from Micro$oft that’s out to troll the Linux community to extinction. I don’t know or care. All I can say is there is no way any of you will stop the wheels of change that are in motion. We are “Powered by Jesus Christ” and nothing will keep us off of the path he has set for us. If this project was not God’s will it would not still be up for the downloading.
I will add you to my prayers tonight.
May God bless you and guide you.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Let’s just say: Quality always comes first.
Added later: I don’t think God and Jesus have a lot to do with uploading another failed remaster. Don’t blame them for your own mistakes. They don’t deserve this.
January 8th, 2008 at 9:46 am
[QUOTE]I’m starting to wonder if your not really coomjohn or johncoom or whoever or maybe you and coomjohn and newmikey are all the same person? or maybe your all part of a secret society from Micro$oft that’s out to troll the Linux community to extinction.[/QUOTE]
Oh, man! This guy is really something! Secret societies, multiple personality syndrom? When paranoia sets in, it’s time to watch out. Justin, you need serious help, help that we cannot provide.
You seem to suffer from religious delusions, megalomania and now paranoia too!
It is not such a hard thing to grasp, when someone advises you to:
1. Go up to a Linux community, say Hi and get acquainted, make a few friends
2. Try out that specific distro and become proficient in its intricacies, give some feedback, do some bug-hunting, in other words CONTRIBUTE!
3. Talk to the developers about your plans and invite their input
4. Incorporate inputs and experience and, obviously, make mistakes while remastering
5. Ask developers and the community for help on specific things, be nice about it
6. When you have ironed out all the spots: go public and thank all of your newfound friends for their help in bringing this about!
That is all anyone has ever told you to do, these steps in that order. Why is that so damned hard to grasp? Why are all of us the bad guys for giving you gentle, sound advice?
You know what you do?
1. Log in to a community for the first time
2. First post: “Hi I’m Justin and I have taken your work and copied it, added a few bits and pieces and now it is the greatest thing on earth!
3. Second post: “Justin again, thank JC and oh, by the way, you know this and that went wrong with MY distro so YOU probably have a bugged distro
4. There is no 4, you take off, never to be spotted again in the community you stole from.
Can you not see the difference? Can you not understand why this is plain wrong?
January 8th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Hi,
I do not understand your opinion — point of view — either, newmikey. Seems to me you are talking about Bill Gates and his Microsoft DOS/Windows operating systems, not Justin Breithaupt and GNU/Linux OS. Listen to what Clem said about it. He doesn’t seem to take your position about all this either.
Contributing is not stealing, re-banding your changes is not wrong, but rather is what Justin is supposed to do. What part of that do you not get, Newmikey? It looks to me like you are the one on the attack, and the “man hunt” here. You are not helpful. You is not contributing. you is not participating for good of others here. Nevertheless, in other forums, you do all the good things you speak of here, and are very good at it I may add. Keep that up, that is good! But…
I think you may have personal disagreements with Justin only, but that is no reason to “jump on the back of his horse” and “ride the back of his saddle” the way you do all the time. Personal vendettas are never helpful in any GNU/Linux community, no matter how small or insignificant “you” personally think those contributions are. You want to attack somebody for stealing? …go after Bill Gates, and bring up his past, when he was young. If you have the guts.
As for how I see it, I think Ultumix is finally stepping forward again, and I am personally glad “we” at Ultumix, have moved over to GNU/LinuxMint for our host distro and remastering project. And, yes, I am an admin and moderator of Ultumix. Even from my point of view (positive-biased-no-doubt) I do not always see your point of view, Newmikey, I just do not get it.
BTW, get on your own horse, why don’t you stop jumping on back of Justin’s? Around here, I ride for Ultumix. “Haaa”
My condolences,
EdwinStarr
January 9th, 2008 at 8:09 am
@ Edwin
I will leave it up to newmikey to answer for himself, but I will answer from my own perspective.
When you check the whole thread of responses you will see that it was Justin who started the personal attacks on me. As you know I moderated out some of his comments, but I can assure you they were nothing but belligerent and full of childish accusations.
Yes, I am keeping track of his endeavors with Ultumix now and I would be happy if my critical remarks about his dealing with other distributions stay as high as possible in the Google rankings. Why? Do I have a personal grudge against him? The short answer: no. Do I want him to fail with creating the distribution he thinks serves the need of a group of users? Again, the short answer is no.
But I do mind his grand words about finally making a new distribution for Windows users and then offering nothing more than a simple remaster of whatever distribution, slapping a simple theme on it, bloating it with a lot of software, then fouling up (please don’t make me repeat the list of errors) and finally blaming the critics. So far Justin didn’t contribute a single new thing to the development of GNU/Linux. He didn’t develop a single tool to make life easier for former Windows users. Even the theme he uses was designed by someone else. He just spreads around accusations and blames about other distributions, while at the same using them 100% for his own needs. You don’t honor the original developers with that and that is what I mind as well. And I will continue to expose that.
So please, continue blaming me and other for being Microsoft employed FUD spreaders, continue shouting and yelling that we are part of a conspiracy to threaten Linux and open source, continue bringing in bogus arguments to blame the critics. The result? As long as this article stays on top in Google search all others who might have a slight interest in Ultumix can see who is behind it and pass their own judgments.
Regards
Jan Stedehouder
January 9th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Having read EdwinStarr’s post a couple of times, I am still not clear what he says there, so I am a little unsure as to a definite answer. Maybe I can get some help there:
“Listen to what Clem said about it” - well, what DID he say? He told you to NOT associate your branding in any way with Mint and remove all Mint branding from your ISO.
It happened once before, you remember what J. said about it? He would have liked to remove the, then PCLOS, branding but did not have the knowledge to to so.
“Contributing is not stealing, re-banding your changes is not wrong, but rather is what Justin is supposed to do.”
Again, you have used this word with the big C a lot: “contribution/ing”. Can you or J. let us in on the big secret that has eluded everybody until now? What exactly does Justin’s contribution consist of? Is there a script, some graphics maybe, an iconset or even a new program? New package management or a different start-up sequence? Easier and better hardware recognition? What, Edwin, what?
“As for how I see it, I think Ultumix is finally stepping forward again”
Now why do I find this an incomprehensible piece of proze? What does it actually mean? Stepping forward where? How? To what purpose?
“I am personally glad “we” at Ultumix, have moved over to GNU/LinuxMint for our host distro and remastering project.”
Well, finally something we can agree on. I too, am very, very happy you have “moved over”, although I am not too sure either of you grasps the meaning of the word remaster. I think you have the “copy” part down to a fine art though…
As to the religious delusion, you are certainly a big contributor. Example? Here:
“I even think